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		<title>Comment on Death and Abortion by tavthe</title>
		<link>http://www.pagangrove.com/2011/12/31/death-and-abortion/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>tavthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many different views and that&#039;s what makes it such a contentious discourse. I have a great deal of experience with disappointment in fertile endeavours. My husband and I spent the last four years trying to have a child. The whole experience has challenged my views on when I think life begins. I used to think it began with conception, but this is not the case anymore. However I do feel now that it may be closer to quickening.  This last attempt, I lost my daughter at quickening and finally succeeded when her twin brother was born at 38 weeks. Its hard to justify why or how some women struggle so hard and others never even have to try. And this is part of the reason why I think some women are so irate over abortion as birth control. 

At the heart of life and death in this debate is to understand how we define each. For instance, I associate life with the acquisition of a soul. So for me the question is &quot;when does a child acquire a soul?&quot; I also believe wholeheartedly that death begins before we see physical death. To me this means those who die are aware of its earliest stages. We see this manifest itself for adults and children. But also, some, not all of us, focus on the importance of connections beyond death. To those who do, we reckon that our deceased remain with us after they&#039;re gone.  I mention this because in my early attempts I had no awareness of my embryos. They never survived 8 weeks. Yet I still mourned for them because they were part of me. Then in 2011 I had dreams about my daughter a few months before I lost her. This connection with spirits is particularly important because even if not all pagans feel as I do, whatever our spiritualities are made of they are just as important as arguments of biology, stewardship, sacredness, or any other approach to this subject that shapes how it affects us each, personally. 

You presented a new angle on personal responsibility than I&#039;ve seen discussed previously. It is very commendable to see others take into consideration whether they can provide the environment necessary for raising children. Yet at the same time if one knows they are exceedingly fertile and continues to not use protection and the same thing happens repeatedly I think they ought to consider the weight of their decisions more thoroughly. They affect everyone involved. 
Regardless of your stance on the subject, thank you for sharing this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many different views and that&#8217;s what makes it such a contentious discourse. I have a great deal of experience with disappointment in fertile endeavours. My husband and I spent the last four years trying to have a child. The whole experience has challenged my views on when I think life begins. I used to think it began with conception, but this is not the case anymore. However I do feel now that it may be closer to quickening.  This last attempt, I lost my daughter at quickening and finally succeeded when her twin brother was born at 38 weeks. Its hard to justify why or how some women struggle so hard and others never even have to try. And this is part of the reason why I think some women are so irate over abortion as birth control. </p>
<p>At the heart of life and death in this debate is to understand how we define each. For instance, I associate life with the acquisition of a soul. So for me the question is &#8220;when does a child acquire a soul?&#8221; I also believe wholeheartedly that death begins before we see physical death. To me this means those who die are aware of its earliest stages. We see this manifest itself for adults and children. But also, some, not all of us, focus on the importance of connections beyond death. To those who do, we reckon that our deceased remain with us after they&#8217;re gone.  I mention this because in my early attempts I had no awareness of my embryos. They never survived 8 weeks. Yet I still mourned for them because they were part of me. Then in 2011 I had dreams about my daughter a few months before I lost her. This connection with spirits is particularly important because even if not all pagans feel as I do, whatever our spiritualities are made of they are just as important as arguments of biology, stewardship, sacredness, or any other approach to this subject that shapes how it affects us each, personally. </p>
<p>You presented a new angle on personal responsibility than I&#8217;ve seen discussed previously. It is very commendable to see others take into consideration whether they can provide the environment necessary for raising children. Yet at the same time if one knows they are exceedingly fertile and continues to not use protection and the same thing happens repeatedly I think they ought to consider the weight of their decisions more thoroughly. They affect everyone involved.<br />
Regardless of your stance on the subject, thank you for sharing this article.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Watch the June 15th Lunar Eclipse Even Here in the US by Joshua Summy</title>
		<link>http://www.pagangrove.com/2011/06/15/watch-the-june-15th-lunar-eclipse-even-here-in-the-us/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Summy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your site ranks high on yahoo and i must say your consistent writing style deserves your blog to be such high in rankings.i relished your writing style.keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your site ranks high on yahoo and i must say your consistent writing style deserves your blog to be such high in rankings.i relished your writing style.keep it up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Finding Peace through Nature by Glenda Cebula</title>
		<link>http://www.pagangrove.com/2011/06/13/finding-peace-through-nature/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenda Cebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my thought processes on this subject vary from you.its fine that you brought this up on your weblog,it was a great debatable understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my thought processes on this subject vary from you.its fine that you brought this up on your weblog,it was a great debatable understand.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Watch the June 15th Lunar Eclipse Even Here in the US by Rayna Sleger</title>
		<link>http://www.pagangrove.com/2011/06/15/watch-the-june-15th-lunar-eclipse-even-here-in-the-us/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayna Sleger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heya! Kudos for producing such an enlightening blog post. Truly you could quite possibly have talked about those ideas the other way around. However you presented it a good private twist. Looking foward to heading to your blog more reguarily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heya! Kudos for producing such an enlightening blog post. Truly you could quite possibly have talked about those ideas the other way around. However you presented it a good private twist. Looking foward to heading to your blog more reguarily.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bob Proctor &#8211; The Tapping Solution  (Part 1) by Drusilla</title>
		<link>http://www.pagangrove.com/2011/06/26/bob-proctor-the-tapping-solution-part-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Drusilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an issue I must do more research into, thanks for the blog post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an issue I must do more research into, thanks for the blog post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Spiritual Places &#8211; New Orleans’ Cities of the Dead by Fonda Waananen</title>
		<link>http://www.pagangrove.com/2009/11/13/spiritual-places-new-orleans%e2%80%99-cities-of-the-dead/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Fonda Waananen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 09:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just added this site to my bookmarks. I like reading your posts. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just added this site to my bookmarks. I like reading your posts. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Snails of Antioch by Gnocchi Pronunciation</title>
		<link>http://www.pagangrove.com/2011/06/12/the-snails-of-antioch/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Gnocchi Pronunciation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 07:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your site ranks high on yahoo and i must say your consistent writing style deserves your blog to be such high in rankings.i relished your writing style.keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your site ranks high on yahoo and i must say your consistent writing style deserves your blog to be such high in rankings.i relished your writing style.keep it up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Power of Positive Thought by seo india</title>
		<link>http://www.pagangrove.com/2011/06/13/the-power-of-positive-thought/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>seo india</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 05:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Important point you make there. but i actually do not fully agree with you on this. also things are a bit evolved nowadays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Important point you make there. but i actually do not fully agree with you on this. also things are a bit evolved nowadays.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Snails of Antioch by Renato Depont</title>
		<link>http://www.pagangrove.com/2011/06/12/the-snails-of-antioch/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Renato Depont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 07:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great content, exactly what I was struggling to find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great content, exactly what I was struggling to find.</p>
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